tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5467119.post1228532034290485064..comments2023-10-24T10:09:22.146+01:00Comments on The Yorkshire Ranter: StabilityAlexhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17153530634675543954noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5467119.post-21097693295270154032009-01-15T15:44:00.000+01:002009-01-15T15:44:00.000+01:00Graydon: try these posts!Graydon: <A HREF="http://yorksranter.wordpress.com/2008/08/31/organise/" REL="nofollow">try</A> <A HREF="http://yorksranter.wordpress.com/2008/09/06/organise-and-a-very-wet-2600/" REL="nofollow">these</A> <A HREF="http://yorkshire-ranter.blogspot.com/search/label/ORGANISE" REL="nofollow">posts</A>!Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17153530634675543954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5467119.post-29898155621211921202009-01-15T15:25:00.000+01:002009-01-15T15:25:00.000+01:00Graydon, I was about to advise Alex to add a Staff...Graydon, I was about to advise Alex to add a Stafford Beer tag to this, when you beat me to it. <BR/><BR/>As for cold and stability, Iceland was just as cold in the ninth century, and socially cohesive it wasn't.<BR/><BR/>The Netherlands, with the immense power of the waterstaat, might be a similar point of comparison.<BR/><BR/>Chris WilliamsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5467119.post-92146902855916753242009-01-15T05:36:00.000+01:002009-01-15T05:36:00.000+01:00I think the cold really does have something to do ...I think the cold really does have something to do with it. Everybody knows in their bones that if civilization fails they can just die of the lack.<BR/><BR/>I think -- cannot begin to prove, but think -- that this encourages the notion of ownership, in the "this is my country and I'm responsible for it" sense.<BR/><BR/>Note that neoconservatives hate that one. They want to make ownership strictly a matter of tangible property; no general obligation to the common weal. (Which is, typically, not any more difficult than being polite, picking up bits of dry trash on the subway, and rarely asking people if they're OK when they're sitting on a bench in the park looking peaked. We're generally lucky enough these days that we don't have to stand in the shield wall very often.)<BR/><BR/>On control loops, have you read any Stafford Beer? He was deeply fascinated with this problem.Graydonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09839374676813519438noreply@blogger.com